Would you lie to avoid punishment?
Me?
I'm the " 'Fess up and face it", type. Alway have been. Spank me and get it over with. Kinda proud of my accomplishments, if that's the right thing to say.
"Yeah, I did it and you caught me, let's get this shit over with - I'm busy and I got other things to do."
That attitude got me 2 1/2 years in prison over a decade ago. Oops! Me and my fat mouth!
I was selling smoke in a in my home town in S. Indiana, if you must know. Good stuff, too. Fuck snitches!
I'm still that way.
I can prove the truth but I have to remember any lies I might make up.
Me?
I'm the " 'Fess up and face it", type. Alway have been. Spank me and get it over with. Kinda proud of my accomplishments, if that's the right thing to say.
"Yeah, I did it and you caught me, let's get this shit over with - I'm busy and I got other things to do."
That attitude got me 2 1/2 years in prison over a decade ago. Oops! Me and my fat mouth!
I was selling smoke in a in my home town in S. Indiana, if you must know. Good stuff, too. Fuck snitches!
I'm still that way.
I can prove the truth but I have to remember any lies I might make up.
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Re: Lying.
Sun, February 18, 2007 - 11:35 AMConfession: I'm in the extreme honesty tribe.
I wouldn't lie, but I don't consider missing out every detail of the entire story to be lying, but I understand some are more touchy about this. But if I was pressed on a direct question though, I'd not lie.
I don't do anything knowingly illegal (which includes not speeding), so I believe I don't have a problem telling the truth anyway.
For example, when I was getting back to be boy/girlfriend again, and realized at a later date that she'd considered we were back to together in Jan'06, but I didn't (as she was seemingly still very non-committal then). So I'd gone out on a date with someone else. When I realized the difference of opionion on when we'd got back together. I thought it best to avoid mentioning the date I'd been on. But at one point she asked a direct question, then I couldn't lie, so I "fessed up", but included in my confession with why I felt it was ok at that point in time.
My son hates it and has said trying to live his life like mine, is like trying to be as perfect as Jesus or Gandhi! He didn't realize I'm not perfect, it's just what I strive to be. I just wish I had pre-hindsight - not to be able to tell the future, but to have the appropriate knowledge available at that time to do the best action, or to be able to contain an emotion based on what apparently seems to be wrong due to being uninformed (or misinformed sometimes).
I guess being telepathic might help.
Also "best" is very subjective, and any action might be good for one person, but bad for another, or vice-versa. -
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Sun, February 18, 2007 - 5:57 PMi don't have the time, enrgy or memory for lies. takes too much effort and inteligence for me.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 11:23 AMI make my living out of listening to lies all day.
As a criminal attorney I get to hear some big ones. I like to think I can tell when the truth is being told.
I've seen the consequences of lying to avoid punishment - it's not worth it.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 5:18 PMI fess up, I try to just do the avoidance thing so I don't feel the urge to make up a story or lie.
Sorry Snert you had to put in 2 1/2 precious years, if you were in Santa Cruz, CA you'd have been a hero and no jail time at all. Things are different in other states I guess.
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 5:42 PMI don't lie to avoid punishment or for personal gain. Even when it's painful or embarrassing to tell the truth.
But when it isn't important, I have caught myself doing this lazy sort of thing where someone will ask me a question and I will just say "yeah," even if it isn't true, just because I don't feel like spending time going into details. But I didn't do it where it really matters, I would do it more like in small talk. I don't do it so much anymore because I don't feel good about it.
Someone told me once that I should conduct myself as if my dear favorite dead grandmother were somehow watching over my shoulder. I would hate for her to be unhapppy with my conduct. I try to follow that advice and it works for me. -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:08 PM(Singing Henry Rollins - Liar to self)
I consider myself to be a pretty honest person but I have lied before and probably will again if I feel like it. It's not a chronic problem though as it obviously is for some people. I know a few people that I just take everything they say with a grain of salt now. It's sad how some people want and need attention so bad they try to make stuff up so people will like them and when people realize they are full of shit the opposite happens. They drive people away with their lies. Theyre fake and they know it but they can't stop it. It's like people I have known that have been on speed for over 25 years. Oh yeah. Those are the same people I was referring to. Some are not on speed though too. -
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Mon, February 19, 2007 - 7:26 PMwell, how's this for extreme honesty?...
YES YES YES i would have no compunction or hesitation about lying to avoid punishment, IF...what i did, even if forbidden, harmed no one & took place within the bounds of informed consent between equals!
FURTHERMORE....
i ADVOCATE the breaking of absurd or unjust laws, and, unless i want to go to jail as a form of civil disobedince protest, i will OF COURSE cover my ass by lying! -
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:34 AMOkay, when you put it that way...
The question was, "would you lie to avoid punishment?"
It never occurred to me to consider it out of the context of my present reality.
Like for example, if I were a citizen in certain parts of the Middle East, living in under Islamic law, I would most definitely lie about my religious beliefs to avoid imprisonment.
So the answer is yes.
However, in my present reality, I don't find myself in those situations.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:39 AMwith personal friends and conversations, why bother lying. But taxes and paperwork, hell yes.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:20 PMI've learned something important about lying these last few years, when you leave out information for someone to be able to make correct decisions in their life, you interfere in their destiny. It's happened to me over and over. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 1:30 PMI have been called "pathologically honest", but addmittedly I may just give diplomatic answers on some things. "Didn't you like the pasta?" "Oh, yes, I just ate a late lunch." It's true, I ate a late lunch. But I really didn't like the pasta either.
There may be some things I just don't bring up, like I certainly wouldn't bring up why I don't go to church any more with my religious father. If he asked me directly why, I would say something broad, like "I just don't get anything out of it" I probably wouldn't mention that I'd probably burst into flame.
But an out and out lie, like I have 8 kids and I'm applying for welfare, or I know linux and Pascal and I'm applying for an IT job? No. I know better than to lie about stuff like that. It just gets you into trouble later. It irks me, though that some people do get away with it.
It seems like it should catch up with them at some point. -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 7:53 PManother thing: i would lie to avoid punishment if i did something that admittedly was somehow wrong AND THE THREATENED PUNISHMENT WAS SOMETHING ABSURDLY DRACONIAN & HARSH...& so would the rest of you! or do you really mean to tell me that you would just accept getting hanged, drawn & quartered for petty theft? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 10:50 PMWouldn't lying about it make it worse somehow in that draconian world? -
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:14 PMnot if you were carefull & clever enough to be believed, then got the hell out of there before the fact that you lied got discovered!
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